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Shape of Water
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Tinny	Mar 20 2018, 02:33 PM Post #16
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Quote: If by 'a long time ago' you mean the movies this is taking inspiration from, that wasn't the case then either. The thread more than two weeks old. And I would definitely say that this one is in many ways coded for that, it's not subtle given most of the movie.
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Strawberry	Apr 17 2018, 01:01 AM Post #17
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	I thought this was a remarkably charming movie, but just that. Wouldn't have voted it for Best Picture, personally. It worked on many levels, but fell short on what mattered the most for my own viewing experience -- developing the relationship between the woman and the creature. If that part of the plot wasn't so surface level I'd have madly loved this movie, but as it stands it's just a pleasant time and a nice ode to Hollywood classics.
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TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Apr 18 2018, 01:02 AM Post #18
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	GinyuTokusentai Mar 20 2018, 05:15 AM TrunksinSwimmingTrunks Mar 3 2018, 11:53 AM Anyone seen this? It has good acting, but it made me rethink the whole "normalising homosexuality will lead to normalising beastiality" argument that used to be made by some people. Throughout the film we're constantly reminded how forms of discrimation that are unacceptable today (racism and homophobia) were very acceptable a few decades ago. After being given this message, Del Torro then introduces an interspecies romantic and sexual relationship. To me this is an attempt to say "just like we used to consider homosexuality wrong but now don't, we should maybe make the same shift in thinking regarding beastiality". I'm not making this post from an anti-homosexuality or anti-beastiality standpoint, but just from a neutral one and wondering whether others think this could be the start of us descending down the "slippery slope" that many social conservatives used to argue we would be going down. the argument you're talking about is a slippery slope fallacy and it doesn't stand because the argument people use against it is: CONSENTING ADULTS. That is all. This is a movie about a creature that clearly has the cognitive ability no other animal today possesses, therefore it is not bestiality. And if it is bestiality than it's obviously a less controversial version of it. I know it is often called a "slippery slope fallacy". My point was that this movie is maybe a sign of mainstream society actually falling down (or ascending up, depending on your perspective) that slope and if so, maybe in this case it was not a fallacious theory after all. Or maybe it's just a movie that will be taken metaphorically only or be a homage to old racist movie-writing only and nobody will take it literally and start promoting sex with intelligent animals. Putting "Consenting adults" in capitals didn't help your argument at all. As far as I can currently tell, it is irrelevant. Literally, I actually do not understand what you are saying to me right now, no joke. If you could explain more fully - rather than being cryptically concise - I would appreciate it. I probably sound like a d* there, but I really would like to know. Bestiality is having sexual relations with non-human animals. That's what it is. The movie certainly portrays bestiality, albeit towards an animal that is more intelligent than most non-human animals, but is nevertheless an animal. The animal in the movie is not shown to necessarily be all that much more intelligent than a very clever dog or monkey, for example. Dogs are highly capable of reading human emotions, can learn to read human gestures (such as pointing) and have been shown to be able to learn to understand human spoken language to some degree, although that is only in exceptional cases. So, is this movie consistent with the narrative of falling down a slippery slope? Well, what if the slippery slope is: Normalising homosexuality ---> Normalising having sex with animals that are highly intelligent ----> Normalising having sexual relations with smart dogs ----> Normalising having sexual relations with pugs ? ----------- DISCLAIMER for whoever might be reading: Again, I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not trying to equate gayness with anything mentioned in my post. PS That was definitely very interesting stuff about old monster movies edit: @Tinny I'm not sure what I would think of humans being romantic/sexual with Black Lagoon-looking intelligent aliens coming down. I would wonder if it's a good idea from a biological/survival perspective, but maybe I would see from a different perspective instead....to me it would become more of an existential question. Not sure if you were asking me what I would think of it, or if you were just trying to say that that's what Del Toro is maybe trying to make us think about (definitely was something it made me briefly consider while watching it), so I answered anyway. Edited by TrunksinSwimmingTrunks**, Apr 18 2018, 01:25 AM.
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Darker	Apr 18 2018, 06:32 AM Post #19
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	TrunksinSwimmingTrunks Apr 18 2018, 01:02 AM PS That was definitely very interesting stuff about old monster movies What was?
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Wolf	Apr 18 2018, 10:09 PM Post #20
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	Never heard of it but seems interesting. Might give it a watch sometime.
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TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Apr 19 2018, 10:29 AM Post #21
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	Darker Apr 18 2018, 06:32 AM TrunksinSwimmingTrunks Apr 18 2018, 01:02 AM PS That was definitely very interesting stuff about old monster movies What was? @ Darker What Copy and the guy with the blue name posted. Tinny. @ Lazerbem just read your post. You clearly didn't read my argument if that's your response, seeing as I said nothing about beastiality being wrong. Btw, there are reasons other than consent that people see it as wrong, such as the fact that the offspring can't reproduce, the possible spread of diseases or it just being deviant behaviour. @Gattsu There are bigger wastes of time for sure.
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Darker	Apr 19 2018, 03:13 PM Post #22
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	TrunksinSwimmingTrunks Apr 19 2018, 10:29 AM Darker Apr 18 2018, 06:32 AM TrunksinSwimmingTrunks Apr 18 2018, 01:02 AM PS That was definitely very interesting stuff about old monster movies What was? @ Darker What Copy and the guy with the blue name posted. Tinny. I don't remember them saying anything about old monster movies...
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Apr 20 2018, 11:29 PM Post #23
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	They talked about the Black Lagoon etc. What else do you call that, buster?
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Darker	Apr 21 2018, 03:54 AM Post #24
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Did they? I mean, they talked about monsters being representatives of white men's fear of black people stealing their women at the time or something along those lines... Which is something I've heard many times in the past yet is still untrue unless you actually watch the movies and see there's nothing stereotypically black about the monsters we're talking about. I mean, come on, it's pretty absurd to think of something like that when it was never the focus of any of those movies.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


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